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Monday, July 15, 2013

MDM: Jesus Doubted His Divinity

Wisdom by PocketSketch
In the March 24, 2013 message Jesus revealed to M-DM how Satan tormented Him during His Agony in the Garden. Apparently, Jesus saw the power Satan will enjoy despite His death on the Cross. One could argue that his power was greatly diminished, even crushed, after the Passion, Death and Resurrection of Jesus but we can put that aside for the time being. For now, let us focus on the following purported statement of this Jesus of M-DM.


Can anyone believe that Jesus ever lost sight of who He is? Does anyone believe the omnipotent Son of God was ever so powerless? The fact is, Jesus could never “doubt” His divinity. Jesus was tempted at the beginning and at the end of His public ministry but He never showed a moment of weakness before Satan and as the Son of Man was always in full control, never doubting Himself or His mission for a moment. When Jesus assumed human nature He never ceased to be LORD. This is the faith we have received.

So what does Scripture teach about doubt? In this example from St. James, doubt is in the context of a weak faith. “HE WHO DOUBTS IS LIKE A WAVE OF THE SEA THAT IS DRIVEN and TOSSED BY THE WIND. For that person must not suppose that a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways, will receive anything from the Lord.” James1:6-8

No good Catholic believes that Jesus was “a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.” This preposterous statement by M-DM is an insult to the authentic Jesus who “is to be acknowledged in two natures {human and divine} without confusion, change, division or separation.” Council of Chalcedon in 451. Yet again we have someone who is disturbing the faithful with a “different gospel” than the one we received. This is mindless drivel which has no basis in Sacred Scripture and is one more good reason not to believe a word from this fictitious Jesus of M-DM.

Followers of W2C, put your faith in the true light of Jesus Christ who preached out in the open and shun this Jesus who dwells in the shadows of anonymity.


  1. I know I can't convince you, and to point out a way around your "profound theological analysis" is just going to make you angry and lead to more battle, but why, for example, in Luke 22:43 does it say an angel appeared to strengthen him? You are stressing the divinity of our Lord of course, so why would God need an angel whom he created to help him? He did die on the cross and I at times wondered how could God die? Oh yeah, now I remember, because the son of God came to earth in the form of a man. Hear my words: not me, and not you are smart enough to debate the words of MDM. Now I hope you do not fall under the temptation from pride to come back with more analysis. Have you read today's MDM message? It says we should pray for the millions of souls who do not know God, and it says to not worry about you guys because when those millions find their salvation you will suddenly realize that you were confused, and you will then accept it. If a dope like me can point out to you that right in the gospel we read where an angel was sent to help Jesus during the agony in the garden what would the author of the messages of MDM say! OOPs the author might tell me to shut up now!

    1. He was a Man too so he experienced human emotions like fear, and needed strengthening. But He knew who he was alright. And no, I try not to read MDM messages now, I've read enough to know that they are Satanic nonsense.
      Fr Martin Cross just wrote on Facebook - after an experience of being added to an MDM group against his wish:

  2. Dear Anonymous,
    The angel was sent to strengthen the human soul of Jesus. That is how this passage was interpreted by St. Augustine for example who said : " let not the heretics encourage themselves that herein lies a confirmation of His weakness, that He needed the help and comfort of an angel. Let them remember the Creator of the angels needs not the support of His creatures." (De Trinitate, Book 10, para. 41) and more recently the well regarded Father John Hardon, S.J. Father Hardon says: "Once we realized, but we have to realize this, that the essence of Christ’s sufferings was spiritual, deep down in His human soul, only then can we begin to understand why His heavenly Father sent an angel from heaven to strengthen Him. Only a spirit can strengthen the spirit. The angelic spirit strengthening the spirit of Christ’s soul. Only an angelic being can bring courage to the human soul." As Rosary already pointed out there are two natures in Christ.
    I suggest you consult better commentaries on the Scriptures than anything provided by whoever or whatever that scripts mdm.

  3. Mr or Miss Anomymous, kindly quote from scripture that the help provided by the angel in Luke 22:43, and to quote: "And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him," has anything even remotely to do with removing any kind of doubt that your infernal MDM said.

    In context: Luke 22:42 said: "Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done. 43 And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

    Didn't it ever occur in your cretinous mind, if any existed at all between your legs, that the the Angel strengthened Jesus for the ordeal He was about to endure? Unless you can show the exact passage that clearly states the angel's strengthening help was about helping Him remove His doubt to His divinity, OOPs, you should be ashamed for even opening your anus to make such as farty comment as above.

    Your "profound" rebuttal defintely sounds like a fart and reeks as badly. And no, I am sure Pocket Search is not angered by it. In fact, I could hear their laughter at your hilarious BS, but with a handkerchief to the nose for the stench of your fart. Try again. I like to hear more comic BS from MDM minions.

  4. This is a heresy that was addressed at the Council of Chalcedon: Jesus is one Person with two natures, human and divine, which exist without CONFUSION, SEPARATION, CHANGE or DIVISION. Know your faith and you won't be led by false prophets!

    (Someone left this comment on our Facebook page)

  5. Such "lovey" language and dissertation from this board. This is an embarrassment and all of you should be ashamed, especially those of you who think they can judge in the name of "canon law" and under the heading of "Miraculous Rosary". You are all awful people, and are more problematic than helpful. You all better look in the mirror. Our Lord and his Mother are not proud of you, not at all.

  6. I am not ashamed of defending Holy Mother Church against heresy.

    Do you have inside knowledge that, as you say to us, "Our Lord and his Mother are not proud of you, not at all" ?

    1. It doesn't take "inside knowledge" to know that the Holy Mother is saddened to hear over and over that the messages through MDM call for daily Rosary and then hear you say that directive is from Satan. God forgive you in your arrogance. Satan would never, could never, win souls in this manner. That is delusional.

    2. MDM is a textbook case of how Satan works. In order to attract believers, he mixes mostly truth with minimal lies. You said, "Satan would never, could never, win souls in this manner," but you are wrong. Ask any church scholar and they will inform you that this is EXACTLY how Satan works. If he didn't, who would believe him? It worked on you, didn't it? It is also working on other Catholics.

      2 Corinthians 11:14 says, "No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."

      Would anybody follow the messages if they were all heretical? Of course not. Satan is not stupid, and he surely knows how to quote the bible - remember Jesus in the desert with Lucifer who used scripture to try and tempt Him? This is why so many souls get lost to different belief systems. This is why it is so important to be able to pick out doctrinal errors in supposed prophetic messages. All it takes is ONE contradiction to Catholic doctrine to render the messages false and the MDM volumes are RIFE with error.

      Here is what Satan told Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:4, "And the serpent said to the woman, You shall not surely die: 5For God does know that in the day you eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and you shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. …" Examine this Geneisis verse. There is ONLY ONE LIE in that entire statement, "You shall not surely die..." But that ONE lie caused their banishment from the Garden of Eden and the necessity of mankind to be redeemed by the shed Blood of Christ. This allows mankind the ability seek salvation of their own volition.

      Just "one little lie".

      Satan is the father of lies.

    3. What a ludicrous and blasphemous rationalization of something taken out of context. You obviously have no faith in the strength and power of the "Miraculous Rosary". I know with 100% certainty.."insider knowledge" that my reciting the Rosary could NEVER be used to advance ANY cause of Satan! NOT POSSIBLE!

    4. I'm sorry you feel that way. "Not possible," you say? Then why did Jesus feel it was necessary to advise his apostles in Matthew 7:15, “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves."

      MDM is a ravenous wolf.

      And remember His warning to us in Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven."

      Again, there is NO SIN in rejecting the messages of any private seer whether church approved or not, but there is the danger of losing your soul in following the false ones.

      With so many doctrinal errors, it's much safer to put MDM aside, go to confession, and await the opinion of her local bishop. Unfortunately, nobody knows who that is.

  7. Guys, please we need your defense of the Catholic faith here:

  8. sorry gals and guys, I will not follow you! I just read one of these messages which you despise and only see words which conform to what I believe God to be or say. The message was about all kinds of sin in the world which offends God (certainly true!), and also how God is merciful to forgive if man would just seek forgiveness (certainly true, and the church definitely teaches this!) Yet you pose arguments, like the one above, which seem mostly self generated, no authority, and your arguments can even be questioned, as above it was by anonymous, and the response from your side to that point indicate a bad kind of fruit! If the messages are evil as you claim how can they also be producing valid fruit? you pick out an obscure phrase from here or there it seems, and yet I read an entire message and see sweet wholesome fruit. The only response I will accept is some humility and repentance. You gals and guys have a self proclaimed authority, clearly out of pride, and to argue otherwise you must lie!

    1. You said, "...and your arguments can even be questioned, as above it was by anonymous..."

      Response: Any argument can certainly can be questioned, but when countered with actual church teaching, the "anonymous commenters" in every case fail to respond with counter-arguments. Why? Because they can't. Instead I receive soapbox diatribes about masons, the "evil pope" and liberalism. I don't publish those as they are designed to "kick up dust" and do not intelligently continue the debate regarding the falsity of MDM.

      You said, "If the messages are evil as you claim how can they also be producing valid fruit?"
      Response: If you refer to "valid fruit" as the outright rejection of Pope Francis as the "False Prophet," and "Imposter," as MDM calls him, then you are in a state of excommunication from the church (Code of Canon Law 751). I'd recommend accessing the one sacrament still available to you; the Sacrament of Confession. But in order to do this, you must reject outright the MDM messages that teach heresy.

      You said, " you pick out an obscure phrase from here or there it seems, and yet I read an entire message and see sweet wholesome fruit."
      Response: All it takes for the church to deem a seer false is ONE contradiction to Catholic teaching. MDM has so many that they are uncountable. Jesus would NEVER contradict the teachings of His church.

      You said, "You gals and guys have a self proclaimed authority, clearly out of pride, and to argue otherwise you must lie!"
      Response: There is always the danger of falling into the sin of pride. Every day I pray to Jesus that I do His work in the proper way. I offer all my prayers for the salvation of souls. That is my purpose in this work. When Jesus said on the cross, "I thirst," He was not just speaking of physical thirst, but his thirst for the salvation of souls!

      The oft-touted quote by a Pope saying there is no sin in believing a false revelation is rejected by scholars because there is no proof he actually said it. If he did say it, then the full quote has been taken completely out of context. The story goes that he was discussing a supposed seer who had NO CONTRADICTIONS TO CATHOLIC TEACHING in her statements. Therefore, he said there was no sin in believing, but according to the story, he continues to say if the church indeed rejects her, then one would be guilty of sin in continuing to believe it. However what IS universally true is:


      When there is even the slightest doubt in a private revelation, if you value your soul, REJECT IT and follow instead the Magisterium of the Church.

      I will never understand why anybody would follow a slick marketing campaign built around an anonymous seer over the Holy Vicar of Rome.

    2. you are clearly running from the truth. anonymous countered your argument with a simple verse of scripture which seems valid. the original argument your side made was that Jesus could never have had doubts in his mind about being the son of man. it is from this that you say the messages are contrary to church or scripture and thus a false prophesy. But you can not prove your claim. You simply, in your own opinion are offended to hear those words and then conclude "this can't be true" But as anonymous countered the scripture shows an angel was sent to help Jesus, for he suffered, and since he did not say what went through his mind in scripture at that time we can't know, except by further revelation. How can you or anyone prove what went through his mind at that time? You can not say the messages are false from your points. You can not examine a vague or unprovable fact. If Jesus in the messages claimed he is not merciful, or did not die for our sins, or never died at all, then they would contradict church dogma.

      it may not be a sin to not accept private revelations, but it is an unforgivable sin to blaspheme against the holy spirit. the words claim to be the words of God. You simply can not prove your accusations. You clearly exaggerate: uncountable contradictions? Uncountable by you, but I do not count even one!

  9. Did Satan have power over Jesus? MDM claims he had enough power to make Jesus doubt Himself during His agony. However, we have only to go back to the Last Supper Discourse of Jesus to His apostles.

    “I will no longer speak much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. {Satan} HE HAS NO POWER OVER ME. . .” John 14: 30 posted July 16 Tues.

    We have the Word made flesh speaking to us today, and for all time, through the approved canon of Sacred Scripture. The choice is clear: Jesus or M-DM’s impostor.

    1. look, now you are talking in terms of "having power over" but the original statement is not about "having power over", it is that doubt entered the Lord's mind, and as was pointed out, an angel came to his aid. This whole argument is over what passed through the mind of the Lord when, from scripture his state is described as having sweat on his forehead which were like drops of blood. It is impossible to prove, the message could claim anything, except a statement contrary to church dogma which would prove them false. But those words do not contradict any dogma of the church, even if you try to make it sound like they do. he was human and divine and suffered in his humanity, he suffered mentally and physically. He physically died.

      these arguments could be argued by the church for years! and you think you have the one and only valid answer! Preposterous. You do not even accept that you might be wrong. How many times has the church reviewed a matter, such as the immaculate conception only to change their conclusion after deeper study! If you had said, it seems contrary to scripture, but you don't, you say it proves the messages invalid and anybody following such are excommunicated. really?

    2. Reply to Anon., July 18 @ 3:18 who said, “ now you {PocketSketch} are talking in terms of "having power over" but the original statement is not about "having power over", it is that doubt entered the Lord's mind. . .”

      Anon., here is the original statement from your prophet, “SO POWERFUL IS SATAN THAT HE PLANTED DOUBTS IN MY MIND ABOUT BEING THE SON OF MAN.” Jesus to M-DM, March 24, 2013

      I beg to differ but the God I believe in is bigger than yours.You stand convicted by your own words “doubt entered the Lord’s mind.” Furthermore, it is intellectual dishonesty to gloss over the claim of your pet seer that Satan is so powerful that he planted doubts in the mind of Jesus. If you defend this tripe, then the onus is yours to prove it. The angel who came to comfort Jesus is not in question, by either side. The question remains. Is Satan so powerful that he could plant “seeds” of doubt in the mind of Jesus? Where can you find in Sacred Scripture or Sacred Tradition or any authentic Catholic source that Jesus ever doubted he was the Son of Man? Why don’t you try to sit down, read scripture and count how many times He called Himself just that, “the Son of Man.” Such an exercise would do you a whole lot better than nourishing your soul on the thin gruel M-DM dishes out.

      For your convenience, begin with this: “He began to teach them that THE SON OF MAN must suffer greatly and be rejected. . .and be killed, and rise after three days.” Mark 8:31

      “He was teaching his disciples and telling them, “THE SON OF MAN is to be handed over to men and they will kill him . . .” Mk. 9: 31

      “Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and THE SON OF MAN will be handed over to the chief priests and the scribes and they will condemn him to death . . .” Mk. 10:33

      During the Last Supper Jesus said, “ Amen, I say to you, one of you will betray me . . . For the SON OF MAN indeed goes, as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom THE SON OF MAN is betrayed.” Mk. 14: 18-21

      During the Agony in the Garden He said to His apostles, “Behold, THE SON OF MAN is to be handed over to sinners. Get up, let us go. See, my betrayer is at hand.” Mk. 14: 41-42

    3. Evidently, Jesus knew He was the Son of Man; He enjoyed in His human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans He had come to reveal. (CCC# 474) The Gospels show Jesus knew how much He was to suffer. He quoted the prophecies. Nevertheless, He consented to all of it and no one could dissuade Him from His purpose to go to Jerusalem knowing full well the death that awaited Him. He didn’t need anyone, let alone the devil, to reveal to Him the future. This is a defined matter. The nature of Jesus has already been exhaustively debated. To state that Jesus allowed the devil to “plant doubts in His mind” is to suggest a successful attack on his Divinity. Is it a heresy? I’m prepared to let the Church decide that. Unfortunately, M-DM is not prepared to come forward and submit to ecclesiastical authority. In the interim, the faithful can study and ponder the following:

      “In this form of assumed human nature we believe according to the truth of the Gospels that He {Jesus} was conceived without sin, born without sin, and died without sin, who alone for us became sin [2 Cor. 5:21], that is, a sacrifice for our sin. And yet HE ENDURED HIS PASSION WITHOUT DETRIMENT TO HIS DIVINITY. . .We believe that the holy Catholic Church, purchased by the price of His blood, will reign with Him for eternity. . .THIS EXPOSITION IS THE PLEDGE OF OUR CONFESSION THROUGH WHICH THE TEACHING OF ALL HERETICS IS DESTROYED, through which the hearts of the faithful are cleansed, through which also we ascend gloriously to God for all eternity. Amen.” Council of Toledo XI (675)

      Time to start connecting the dots and to see this is not the face of Christ hiding behind this anonymous seer.

    4. pocketsketch, as I read your two recent responses (Aug 12) it seems you are giving a homily on the life of Jesus. You fail to comprehend that I'm a catholic, and have been a member of the same church as you for all my life. I believe in the very same Jesus and anything you quote from scripture or church dogma I already agree with. I know Jesus called himself the 'son of man'.

      St John tells us that what he wrote, is but a small example of the life of Jesus, he said to tell all would fill many more books. So, although we believe in the same scriptures and dogma, it is not the complete experience of Jesus. In the same way, we do not, and can not, fully understand Jesus. And my point was simply that we do not fully know what Jesus experienced in the garden. I simply pointed out in my argument the facts we do know, and then consider if it is possible that what MDM says may fit in as a part we do not know.

      One more time, if Satan was permitted to tempt Jesus in the desert why was he not permitted during the agony in the garden? And you say Jesus permitted, but I would say the Father permitted. But the point of Jesus telling this to us now, is to stress how cunning Satan is! We know that he gave himself up to arrest, we know the story, as we are both Catholics! The small revelation only said that during that moment, (in which an angel was sent to him, and he had sweat like drops of blood, and he asked the Father to take the cup away), he doubted (for a moment) his divinity. He was a man in flesh and mind, he was also divine, and at that we have a mystery. Why did Satan say to him in the desert 'if you are the son....', did Satan not know or was he questioning Jesus at that moment if he knew? And when Satan promised him all the empires did that not show the power Satan has in this world? And besides, where does it say that Jesus can not doubt his divinity? Who can dare to declare what applies to God? I believe it is a dogma of the church that Jesus did not sin, but is doubting divinity for a moment a sin? I don't think so.

      pocketsketch, you just don't get it. You do not have authority to declare this point impossible, you are wrong to think you can prove it such, you only have authority to declare you do not believe it or find it hard to believe. I on my part can not prove it true but can only declare that I find it believable or possible. Judas out of pride assumed the right to lead the guards to Jesus, for whatever reason. The priests of the temple also out of pride assumed it right to condemn and have Jesus crucified. Both were grave mistakes.

      Here's where we stand: a) I'm wrong and you're right: congratulations, but before God I have no sin for being wrong, but you unfortunately are still guilty of presuming to be an authority beyond your place. -or- b) I'm right and you're wrong. Well I'm sad to see you condemned for claiming Jesus speaking to mankind through MDM is a lie.

    5. Reply to Anonymous Aug.15:

      Many ecclesial authorities have already declared the writings of your pet prophet a heretic. M-DM has defamed Pope Francis in the most iniquitous terms imaginable, for no reason other than these voices she claims to hear dictating to her. When did I declare the new, alleged “divine revelation” about Jesus doubting himself a heresy? Instead I copied a text from the Council of Toledo which declared, ‘Christ endured His Passion without detriment to His Divinity.’ It was left an open ended question. I merely shine a spotlight on the cockroaches hiding in the corners of M-Dm’s messages and let people see the ugly truth for themselves. Fellow Catholics are provided the opportunity to compare and contrast her new teachings against the original and authentic deposit of faith. If anyone should be reckless enough to dismiss that teaching, I included the declaration at the end of the exposition. Again, an invitation to draw one’s own conclusion.

      In this example, you have numerous, irrefutable, scriptural texts which all prove Jesus knew exactly who He was; what He was doing; where He was going and why. Yet you insist it is possible Jesus could doubt His own divinity and worse than that “The devil made Him do it.” This characterization of Jesus is inconsistent with the verifiable testimony, we already have, about Jesus from witnesses who knew Him. Jesus was strong even when He was weak. For our salvation He willed to be made flesh of the holy Mother of God and without change He became man. M-DM offers a new Gospel, another version than the one we first received. Such teachers St. Paul repeatedly warned us not to be seduced by.

      In closing, it is paramount to keep in mind with John Paul II, that Christ gave His Spirit to the Church in order to guide her into all truth. While we welcome the Spirit with gratitude and respect we must remember it is the Church which has the responsibility to discern the authentic presence of the Holy Spirit and to distinguish it from other spirits, imposters, such as the great deceiver himself. The faithful risk nothing rejecting M-Dm’s version of Jesus. On the other hand, Mdm disciples risk serious consequences, through actively promoting, participating and cooperating with a work of darkness which daily smears the Catholic Church. Wouldn’t it be wiser, Anonymous, to be faithful to the Bridegroom we see in the light rather than to foolishly explore dark bedrooms and blindly sleep with strange bedfellows?

    6. honestly pocketsketch reading your words frightens me because it is a strange mix of half quotes and your own imagination which is susceptible to the influence of the dark one. Oh you do not think such possible? Well reading it gives me the feeling it is so. You fail to comprehend that these messages come from God and are passed through a chosen soul whom you and others ruthlessly attack. You are building up that following the messages is like 'exploring dark bedrooms and blindly sleep with strange bedfellows' but that is complete rubbish and deceptive talk, it is not truth and therefore it comes from Satan. I am not exploring dark bedrooms.... These messages are NOT a new gospel, they are a warning against the evil that has taken root around the world. The messages are the detail of the book of revelation. You know to dig your own grave you only need go down about six feet but you are well past 60 feet.

      as I told you time and time again, the church wont fairly evaluate MDM until the messages stop and there is time to examine the results. HOWEVER, to fairly evaluate the MDM messages requires a discussion on fair ground where somebody can stand up to defend MDM, in open debate. I myself would volunteer to be a part of the defense. But you and your likes don't accept a fair court or trial, you live in a world where you only believe your own dark mind just like the pharisees who were set to destroy Jesus. Stop attacking for a few days and reflect on how men could hate Jesus and go on to kill him. Then by the grace and mercy of God you might see how you are following their path to attack the final message of God.

    7. The comment from Anonymous of August 26 at 2:19 p.m. is published for one reason alone, and that is to highlight this statement, a veiled death threat not unlike the ones I have received on this blog under other articles, "You know to dig your own grave you only need go down about six feet but you are well past 60 feet."

      Notice to the commenter who told PocketSketch, "You are out of your mind..." and others who tried to push forward conspiracy theories and more MDM messages, your comments will not be published. Only relevant and fair point by point debate will be allowed.

  10. Just a note to report an error with the date of the original message posted on W2C. The correct date is March 25, 2013. The title, "The Greatest horror I witnessed in the time of My Agony in the Garden of Olives was the scourge of sin . . .

    That same day in the same message MDM preached the heresy of indifferentism. Direct quote:

    "WHATEVER RELIGION YOU FOLLOW IT DOES NOT MATTER because your only route to God is through Me, His only Son"

    People really need to either sharpen their reading skills or learn their faith rather than cruising through all the sharp bends on the road of M-DM's theology at high speed; otherwise, they risk going off a cliff. MDM devotees, slow down and read more carefully.Don't skip over what you do not understand or do not like. Start doing your own research from legitimate Catholic sources and double-check for accuracy. The Church provides many tools. To simply assume this Jesus of M-DM is genuine because MDM claims to speak with the authority of God is recklessly endangering your faith. Finally, don't trust her simply because she "sounds like all the other prophets you have been reading." That line of reasoning is an endless circle with no exit.

    1. listen to your own words, how many cliffs have you gone off? already you are jumping to another "contradiction" -you can easily go on forever bringing up anything possibly controversial and condemning it. How about the way Jesus spoke throughout the gospels in which people hearing him found it hard to accept his teachings. They called him a blasphemer! When they said he drove demons out in the name of beezelbub he said no sin is unforgivable but the sin against the holy spirit. You obviously are not familiar with that scripture.

    2. Interesting you should say that about Jesus. When Pope Francis washed the feet of women the MDMers went nuts and called him the "False Prophet" and the "imposter". They said it proved he was EVIL! One Facebook poster even said they wanted to "slap Frankie on the back of the head..."

      However, his action did NOT contradict Catholic doctrine, and was a valid choice for his Holy Thursday mass.

      MDM followers' scrutiny and attacks of Pope Francis are abominable. Rejecting the validly elected Pope renders one in a state of schism (Code of Canon Law 751) which is automatic excommunication. By rejecting Pope Francis, one rejects the Holy Spirit who moved through the conclave as the Cardinals prayed about the votes they were going to cast.

    3. 1) jumping to yet another point, always running... 2) MDM'ers are fallible people, they should not be brought into a discussion about the messages themselves.

    4. To you, being in a state of excommunication from the church is "yet another point" ? This isn't just "another point". This is the crux of the matter. All the other arguments do not matter if Catholics realize how they are endangering their status within the church and thus, their souls! But to's just "another point."

      Don't you understand that NO OTHER POINTS MATTER given the facts I listed above.

    5. So often you guys and gals present points as fact or law of the church. However there is a problem with your efforts. Theological matters can surely be discussed and debated. However they deserve a fair 'trial' so to speak. MDM is a contemporary matter, one that has not be exhaustively examined by the church. You have on your own accord, implied that you have reviewed or examined these messages, and have concluded uncountable contradictions to church law, to scripture, and even to God.

      However, a fair trial means two sides, not just a prosecution but also a defense. In your pages you have posted the verdict, in which you were the counsel, the judge and the jury. For the people replying with disagreement to your verdicts it is too late, your verdict is in! How ludicrous this all is. It is again like right out of the new testament, where Jesus was taken to a false trial in the night when many where not called or present.

      Blessed John Duns Scotus defended the Immaculate Conception in an open argument. Which was voted on to pick a winning side. This is the way a theological matter should be discussed. But you did not do this! You arrived at conclusions from your own mind, or people of like mind. How many times have other people, people like me, tried to show that other opinions exist contrary to yours and you either jump to another point or smash us down with insults or imply that your points are more valid or that we are against church law?

    6. You said, "Theological matters can surely be discussed and debated."
      Response: This cannot be said about Catholic doctrine. A violation is a violation and the MDM messages are rife with them. You can't "debate" the excommunication point. Let me make it clear: this can not be debated. It is fact.

      You said, "However, a fair trial means two sides, not just a prosecution but also a defense."
      Response: I find this statement amusing. On the MDM officially sponsored Facebook pages, if one questions any of the messages they are immediately banned from the page. On the Maria Divine Mercy True or False page sponsored by people who know the MDM messages are heretical, debate is encouraged, but MDMers rarely come in because they can't debate specific points. I guess you could call my blog fair balance.

      You said, " In your pages you have posted the verdict, in which you were the counsel, the judge and the jury."
      Response: Actually, not I but four world bishops, numerous promiment theologians and uncountable priests have deemed the MDM messages heretical. All you have is Dr. Kelly Bowring who, in his defense of MDM, walks on eggshells and does a lot of double speak so he can wiggle out of actually going against Catholic doctrine.

      You said, "You arrived at conclusions from your own mind, or people of like mind."
      Response: Again, I did not arrive at these conclusions without the opinions the bishops and theologians have shown. If I have a "like mind" as a bishop, then that is too great an honor for me. MDM's Bishop, according to her audio interview, also rejected her messages. Shouldn't this be enough for you?

      You said, "How many times have other people, people like me, tried to show that other opinions exist contrary to yours and you either jump to another point or smash us down with insults or imply that your points are more valid or that we are against church law?"
      Response: Nowhere on my blog do you see me smashing you down with insults. My efforts in refuting MDM is to help Catholics realize their error in following these heretical messages. Also, it is not MY points that are valid, but the doctrine of the Catholic Church which, when measured against MDM messages, proves them unequivocally false.

    7. you prove something here: every truth can be countered with nonsense! Who said anything about debating Catholic doctrine? the whole comment is that MDM is not yet officially accepted by the church as catholic doctrine, therefore it deserves a fair trial before somebody bullies an invalid conclusion like you do again and again.

    8. Lovey and everyone else: Maybe you should open up a Twitter Account and tweet your support of WYD in Rio. The Bishop of Rome has granted Plenary Indulgence if you do so. He's so "with it" and popular! And nary a word from him or the church on impending legislation in Brazil legalizing! And we wonder why Jesus and Mary might be just a little disturbed . Thank you MDM for your love and devotion and dedication in sharing these messages with a world that has gone awry badly, and no shepherding from Rome beyond silly lttle references to Love, Joy and Socialism. Shame, shame shame.

    9. The rumor Pope Francis is offering a Plenary Indulgence via Twitter is patently FALSE. The article I post below says this, BEGIN quote: "The Vatican announced Wednesday that the papal court that handles the forgiveness of sins will now offer “indulgences” — or blessings that reduce the time Catholics believe they will spend in purgatory after the confession of their sins — to those following the Pope’s tweets. At least that’s what The Guardian reported.

      "But according to CNN, the story was blown out of proportion. The original document from the Vatican reveals that those who are unable to attend the upcoming Catholic World Youth Day in person can tune in 'via television and radio, always with due devotion, through the new means of social communication.'

      "The new decree allows those attending remotely to receive indulgences, but they must 'follow these same rites and pious exercises' as those physically in attendance." END quote

      I find it interesting that MDMers are up in arms over this, and yet had nary a word to say when MDM herself announced a Plenary Indulgence simply for saying a particular prayer for seven days and doing nothing else. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE because only the Holy Catholic Church under the authority of the Pope can attach a Plenary Indulgence to any devotion, and a good confession and reception of Holy Communion MUST accompany it in order for the Indulgence to take effect. Where were your complaints then?

      Article source:

  11. so what happened? I noticed other pages on this web site refer and quote other prophecies and that you even have kits for the three days of darkness yourself. Yet you are telling people to ignore the warning from MDM! MDM speaks of the very same matters: three days of darkness, the warning, the third world war. You are turning people away from a full scale warning but you yourself are prepared! Secondly the other warnings which you seem to approve of because you quote them and have no criticism against them actually support the controversial comments in MDM which you fight hard against. How can this be? You actually posted a vision of Jesus speaking to Lucifer which Lucifer is proclaiming taking full control of the world. So how come you support that but fight MDM? If that vision can be true than anything proclaimed in MDM is to be expected, such as the diabolical attack on the catholic church which you now seem to imply is impossible! I will include some of your own quotes and supported matter found on other pages of your web site:

    [your introduction] Catholics and other Christians who study prophecy have at least once run across a coming "Three Days of Darkness." Reading the prophecy can instill fear, especially if one isn't prepared. Many prophets have outlined their visions over the centuries. Among the scariest of of them is that of Marie Julie Jahenny, French mystic and stigmatist who lived from 1850 to 1941:
    [prophecy] In a vision of a dialogue between Our Lord and Lucifer, the latter said, "I will attack the Church. I will overthrow the Cross, I will decimate the people, I will deposit a great weakness of faith in hearts. There will also be A GREAT DENIAL OF RELIGION. For a time I will be MASTER of all things, everything will be under MY CONTROL, even Your temple and all Your people." Marie-Julie said, "Saint Michael says that Satan will have possession of everything for some time and that he will reign completely over everything ; that all goodness, faith, religion will be buried in the tomb. . . Satan and his own will triumph with joy, but after this triumph, the Lord will in His turn gather His own people and will REIGN and TRIUMPH OVER EVIL and WILL RAISE UP from the tomb the buried Church, the prostrated Cross. . .
    [your words:] I decided that, at the very least, my loved ones should have the necessary items spoken about in the Three Days of Darkness prophecies, so I made 24 Holy Kits; one for each household in my and my husband's family as well as for the future households of my children

    [your web site] The 1980 apparitions of Our Lady of Cuapa were approved by local Bishops in 1982 and 1994
    [Mary's words:] If you don’t change you will hasten the coming of the Third World War. "Pray, pray, my son, for all the world. Grave dangers threaten the world.
    [your own words:] Take special note that Mary did NOT say, "If you don't change you hasten the possibility of a Third World War," but instead said, "If you don't change you will hasten THE COMING OF THE Third World War."

    1. Interesting you should quote my own words to me considering I wrote them and know what I said. I stand by them.

      It should be glaringly obvious to Catholics who visit this site that the prophecies about which I wrote as fact are CHURCH APPROVED. I do like to explore some seers about whom I have a question. Over a year ago I posted a paragraph about MDM asking readers to post their opinions of this supposed visionary. That was the beginning of my journey in realizing that her messages are patently false.

      MDM is a false prophet evidenced by the fact that so many of her messages contradict themselves as well as Catholic Doctrine. To reject the pope as MDM advises puts a Catholic into a state of schism which means they are automatically excommunicated from the church (Code of Canon Law 751). Jesus would never contradict His church!

      MDM also has people obsessively praying and hoarding. One of the messages actually had Jesus using the word "hoard" to tell people how to prepare. The MDM people later took the word out but I'm sure some people who have old copies of the messages can find it. Does this sound like the same Jesus who said to observe the worry-free, beautifully arrayed flowers of the field?

      MDM continues to produce Crusade Prayers (I believe the name in itself is a mockery of the church) for daily prayer and she is up to 113 now. She also asks her followers to pray a daily rosary, chaplet, go to daily mass and adoration. Many MDM followers say to me, "How can this be bad? She is asking us to pray the rosary!" My answer: It is ALWAYS bad to go to any type of excess. Obsessively praying for at least three hours per day (we have calculated the minimum time it would take to do all the prayers and devotions) is unreasonable and excessive. Even cloistered nuns don't pray that much! It prevents us from performing our mundane daily duties which Jesus wants us to offer to Him. Our Lady at Fatima asked us to pray ONE rosary per day. This is twenty minutes of prayer. If one can make a daily mass that's even better. But to pray at the expense of one's daily duties or to prevent the exercise of corporal works of mercy is obsessive and wrong.

      Excessive and obsessive focus on devotions can also lead to a condition called "scrupulousness", something about which many Catholics are unaware. A person suffering from scrupulousness obsesses about their devotions; worrying about things like accidentally skipping a Hail Mary bead while doing a rosary, not being truly forgiven of sins even after confession, not praying enough prayers, not performing enough penances, etc. etc. As you can see, this is a trap that can lead to spiritual confusion, angst, unhappiness, and possibly sin if it goes unchecked. This gives Satan great joy. MDM's ridiculous burdensome prayer requirements can easily lead to this unhappy spiritual condition.

      Jesus told us to avoid being like the foolish maidens who did not have oil in their lamps for the groom's arrival. The fact that I made sure everybody in my family had sacramentals in their homes does NOT mean I spend my day worrying about the warning or hoarding food for future upheaval. We must live our daily lives in joy and have faith in Christ who promotes love and asks us to TRUST Him through the (approved) messages to Sister Faustina. I can understand why Satan wants to mock and mimic the Divine Mercy devotions by piggy-backing on the name, because the devotion is so peaceful, so beautiful, and so POWERFUL when people realize the fathomless mercy of Jesus!

      MDM is false. Reject her.

    2. you are so off the wall that my only suggestion is to ask somebody you trust, like maybe your children or husband to take a look at some of these comments and posts and let them tell you what they think! you keep missing the point, again and again. you show signs of what I might in loose terms call obsessed or brain washed. you keep getting facts mixed up.

      nowhere have I seen MDM imply any time limit on prayer, and yet you imply it teaches three hours of prayer a day, no it does not. it does not imply to do all of the prayers together, and especially not each day. I did read a post of MDM members who talk about the prayers and none implied doing all of them at once, but one member recommended doing ten at a time per day until reaching the end and then starting over, ten per day. it does advise to spend time doing prayer. you say excess it never good, but I never heard that applied to prayer, I've never even heard of a definition of excess prayer.

      how could you miss the points that the visions you accept, quoted above regarding Satan, do not in fact lead right into the turmoil regarding the pope which you keep insisting is impossible and against the church, when the words you accept have Satan declaring that he will overtake the church?

      I really mean it, have somebody you trust with sound reasoning read a section, perhaps this full post, and let them tell you honestly what they think.

    3. Sigh. Once again, the visions I accept I ONLY accept because the Holy Catholic Church has accepted them.

      Even MDM's bishop rejected the messages although he hasn't come out publicly. Just listen to her radio interview from 2011 in which she says the warning was going to happen "in a few months" but definitely within a year.'s 2013 MDMers, and the warning did not happen. Only one failed prediction is all it takes to prove a seer false.

      If you are going to debate, you probably should read the MDM messages more closely because it seems I know them better than you do. That's probably why I know they are false; I've done my homework.

      The ones who continue to miss the point are those who try to argue in favor of the MDM messages and yet are NEVER ABLE TO REFUTE THE CONTRADICTIONS within the messages themselves and to Catholic doctrine. I don't think you understand that if a visionary has messages that violate even one Catholic doctrine...a tenet of the Catholic faith...then the visions are not from heaven.

      Are you aware that Catholic Dogma says that Sacred Scripture is complete and sealed? There is a further warning that nobody is to add to or subtract from it. This is Catholic teaching. However, MDM says her "Book of Truth" is an addendum to Sacred Scripture. Do you see what I mean? That's impossible! It's false!

      In her audio interview, she says Jesus is coming to save mankind AGAIN, in other words, for a second time! This implies that He did not fully redeem mankind the first time. Do you really believe this? Your seer said it. I heard her. Play the interview and listen. She also says mankind needs to be redeemed which demonstrates an ignorance of salvation history. Jesus ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED THE REDEMPTION OF MANKIND when He suffered and died on the cross! It is up to man, now, to work toward salvation of his soul...not redemption! All of mankind have ALREADY BEEN REDEEMED. I really didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I saw MDMers on Facebook trashing Pope Francis, accusing him of saying "Atheists are saved." He said nothing of the sort. He said ATHEISTS ARE REDEEMED! Clearly Pope Francis knows his Catholic doctrine.

      If you are going to debate, then explain how these points are NOT contrary to Catholic doctrine.

  12. Your selective and taken out of context, propaganda Lovey, is quite extraordinary, to say the least. Your reference to "scrupulousness" should most certainly apply to your obsession with undermining and belittling those of us who have taken to heart the call to more prayer and your now suggesting that there is just too much prayer and devotion with these MDM folks! How ironic. I know of nobody that is denying their respective duties as parents, grandparents, spouses, etc. because they are praying too much. And likewise, am certainly not "hoarding" anything or making extraordinary precautions or preparations, certainly no more so than you in your exhortation regarding "three days of darkness" and the emergency boxes you have prepared for you and all of your family. Nevermind anyone else, eh? Too many double standards here, as well as exaggerations, judgment, and self righteousness. You are disgraceful when you suggest that my devotion to Jesus and Mary are influenced and suggested by Satan. God forgive you. You are wrong.

    1. So...when will you stop with the personal attacks and skirting around the issues and instead debate how the MDM messages do not violate Catholic doctrine?

    2. I want to add that your use of the word "belittling" is interesting. Considering I once, for a short time, believed the MDM messages, I understand how people can fall prey to them.

      If my pointing out to MDM followers the violations to Catholic Doctrine makes you feel "belittled", then you need to examine what's going on with YOU that you would feel this way. I prefer to deal with facts on this issue, not feelings. Too many souls are in an unknowing state of excommunication because of these messages. It is because I want to help Jesus save souls that I care enough to go on with this. It makes me angry that someone out there is profiting from the loss of souls.

  13. Anon. July 19 @6:51
    If you are praying your Rosary God bless you. Your reaction is emotional however, as I well understand. The first time I read websites declaring followers of M-DM were in automatic excommunication I was shocked and worried about a good many people who like you are devoted to M-DM. Even so, those warnings pale in comparison with the condemnation heaped on the heads of whoever disagrees and doubts the veracity of M-DM's "divine revelations." Really, there are numerous such posts from an irate Jesus declaring He will show no mercy. I will only point to a more recent one, others have previously been highlighted on this blog, and you tell me if you recognize this Jesus as the Good Shepherd we both know and love. Dated June 27, 2013 from the Warning Second Coming website.

    "Those among you, who shout blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, know that . . .you will be struck down. Not one word will escape from your lips . . . I make no apology for this warning. If you defile the Word of the Holy Spirit, I will cut you off from Me and there will be terrible cries by you and all those you will bring with you into the wilderness.

    My Justice will befall all THOSE [in this context, all detractors who doubt the authenticity of these messages] WHO PREVENT THE HOLY WORD OF GOD [the new scripture written by MDM] FROM BEING KNOWN IN THE WORLD. THEIRS WILL BE THE WORST PUNISHMENT, FOR THE PAIN THEY WILL EXPERIENCE WILL BE WORSE THAN THOSE IN THE LOWEST LEVEL OF PURGATORY. Your wickedness shocks many good innocent souls. . ."

    1. pocketsketch, haven't learned from your original post above that your points can easily be questioned? you talk like an unquestionable authority.

      1) followers of MDM are not automatically excommunicated. If we were we would not be able to participate in mass like we have all our lives! You anti MDMers want to imply this to make yourselves sound like an authority, but it is smoke. You also imply that MDM messages say such and such which goes against church laws.... just your opinion which you exaggerate. Let a valid court decide the truth, one in which MDM can be rightfully defended, or better yet mind your own business.

      2) regarding the warning against blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, do you remember when our Lord first used those words? Yes, when his accusers said he cast demons out by the devil 2000 years ago, as told in gospels. And He repeats those words again in the messages, which you should heed, but refuse. You go over and above the 'Jesus' of MDM, implying you are superior, exactly like they did 2000 years ago! Yet MDM followers give you their honest opinion that he seems completely authentic to them. To me his words pass for the Good Shepherd, and if I did not feel this I would have walked away, but I would not attack them like you do.

      3) your most blatant mistake is that you go on to act like Jesus can't be stern, or the hand of divine justice, yet as in 2) we see he was harsh when they said he was under the power of the devil. How can you make such a point over God's justice? And yes, your wickedness does shock many good 'innocent' souls! Jesus ultimately sits on the seat of Justice which sends souls to heaven, purgatory or hell so why are you trying to imply that he can't talk tough? Jesus will punish anyone for misleading just one of his innocent lambs, do you remember the scripture about it being better that a millstone drag you to the bottom than you mislead his sheep, also in our gospels? One more example of my Lord being stern.

      You ultimately have no legitimate point to indicate he is not the Good Shepherd.

  14. Looks like disciples of M-DM haven't slowed down in their enthusiasm for her "Jesus" yet. Time to wave another red flag.

    “THE KEYS OF ROME {sic} WILL NOW BE HANDED BACK TO GOD, THE ALMIGHTY FATHER.” Alleged words of Jesus Christ to Marie Divine Mercy, June 6, 2011

    “MY TIME IS ALMOST HERE, AS I AWAIT THE DAY WHEN MY FATHER HANDS ME THE KEYS TO MY KINGDOM” The alleged message of Jesus to M-DM posted April 2/13 on the W2C website.

    God the Father must be really angry with the Catholic Church if the keys of the kingdom have been removed. Moreover, if we take M-DM at her word, Jesus is anxiously awaiting ‘his time’ when these keys will be handed back to him. Sounds like “Jesus” has been punished by his father for recklessly entrusting these keys to his friend Peter in the first place. Are Catholics so credulous that they could simply skip over the inference that Jesus is a rebellious teenager being disciplined by his father and waiting for his chance to get back the keys to his dad’s car? Yes, it is an absurd analogy from an equally absurd message. Time for an antidote to the poisonous pen of M-DM.

    Catechism no.553 -“Jesus entrusted a specific authority to Peter: "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."THE “POWER OF THE KEYS” DESIGNATES AUTHORITY TO GOVERN the house of God, which is the Church...The power to "bind and loose" connotes the authority to absolve sins, to pronounce doctrinal judgments, and to make disciplinary decisions in the Church. Jesus entrusted this authority to the Church... in particular through the ministry of Peter, the only one to whom he specifically entrusted the keys of the kingdom.”

    Conclusion: A Catholic who wants to remain in good standing with Holy Mother Church cannot simultaneously be faithful to Christ’s teachings and put any faith in the authenticity of MDM’s Jesus. They are irreconcilable. Moreover, anyone who chooses the Jesus of M-DM should logically conclude they have not validly received the sacraments for the past two years. That’s right, according to your beloved seer, the removal of the keys from the Catholic Church means it lost all authority to act in the name of Jesus which includes the power to confect The Eucharist and absolve sins.

  15. “My Father, gave Eternal Life to Adam and Eve and they rejected it. And so, they and all their descendants were denied the Gift of Paradise and Eternal Life. NOW AT LAST, THIS WILL CHANGE.” Jesus to M-DM, May 19, 2013

    Marie DM is late to deliver the Good News. Jesus by His Death and Resurrection opened up the gates of heaven and a good many descendants of Adam and Eve, if not our first parents themselves, are already enjoying the beatific vision in heaven for all eternity. Furthermore, such a teaching ignores the Assumption of Our Lady into heaven, body and soul, to say nothing of all the saints the Church has infallibly declared to be enjoying the beatific vision already.

    From the Council of Trent:
    “If anyone asserts that this sin of Adam {original sin}, which is one in origin and transmitted to all is in each one as his own by propagation, not by imitation, is taken away either by the forces of human nature, or by any remedy other than the merit of the one mediator, our Lord Jesus Christ, WHO HAS RECONCILED US TO GOD IN HIS OWN BLOOD, "MADE UNTO US JUSTICE, SANCTIFICATION, and REDEMPTION”[I Cor. 1:30] . . . let him be anathema.”

    “If anyone denies that BY THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, WHICH IS CONFERRED IN BAPTISM, THE GUILT OF ORIGINAL SIN IS REMITTED . . . let him be anathema. For in those who are born again, God hates nothing, because "there is no condemnation, to those who are truly buried together with Christ by baptism unto death” [Rom. 6:4] . . . SO THAT THERE IS NOTHING WHATEVER TO RETARD THEIR ENTRANCE INTO HEAVEN.”

    It is complete balderdash that this fake Messiah of M-Dm is preaching. They are rewriting salvation history at W2C and offering, not an addition to the Bible, but a new Bible of their own fabrication. Why are so many listening to this false “final prophet” when Jesus was so clear. “SEE THAT NO ONE DECEIVES YOU. FOR MANY WILL COME IN MY NAME, SAYING, ‘I AM THE MESSIAH,’ & THEY WILL DECEIVE MANY . . . MANY FALSE PROPHETS WILL ARISE & DECEIVE MANY . . . THE ONE WHO PERSEVERES TO THE END WILL BE SAVED.” Mat. 24:3-13

    To all the lifelong faithful Catholics who have stumbled unto MDM, the deceiver has changed the sign posts on your road to salvation and has sent you on a detour. When are you going to figure it out so that you may safely get back on track?

  16. Below is the latest "message" from MDM - and it has terrified me - I post it ONLY to encourage discussion and comment, and to get your thoughts on how to quieten my mind and soul. I am not attempting to promote MDM (Lovely can delete this if he/she feels I am promoting MDM)

    "The details, which I revealed, are that there would be two men wearing the Crown of Peter in the end times. One will suffer because of lies which have been created to discredit him and which will render him a virtual prisoner. The other one elected will bring about the destruction, not only of the Catholic Church, but of all churches which honour my Father and who accept the Teachings of my Son, Jesus Christ, Saviour of the World.

    There can only be one head of the Church on Earth, authorised by my Son, who must remain Pope until his death. Anyone else, who claims to sit in the Seat of Peter, is an imposter. This deceit has one purpose, to turn souls over to Lucifer and there is little time for such souls, who will be none the wiser, to be saved."

    Your comments would be appreciated. God Bless you all

    1. Richard, you have found the most scary and controversial part of the messages, this is what causes many to not believe they could be true. Know that there have been other prophecies which foretold of a false leader, or false pope, and remember too that throughout history there were times when the church was wounded with bad leadership. But for your peace of mind, put all that aside for a moment, and consider that God who loves us all, sees all at all times, and can not be deceived, He sees the danger to us and thus sends us these messages. I myself wake up each day now with some anxiety of what the world faces, but faith gets me through, I have to remind myself that God is not leaving us orphans. He is leading us each day, the messages are often beautiful and comforting but yes, the end times will be dramatic. Remember too that in every mass we proclaim: "He will come again in glory" We know that the end times will be a time that evil will rise up, and we must be brave. This is a time to study to pray. Study other prophecies such as Marie Julie Jahenny for starters. Also the greatest proof of valid prophecies are condemnation and persecution! It takes years for them to become accepted, after much suffering! As pope JP 2 used to say: "Be not afraid" But I share that I need to repeat those words to myself all the time now.

    2. I well understand how upsetting it is to read the message on W2C website dated July 22/13 and posted a week later. This one is supposedly from the Mother of Salvation complaining about the Third Secret of Fatima not being fully disclosed. It was. Either Catholics are going to trust the integrity of two holy men of God selected to guide us into all truth and Sister Lucia or they are going to trust unknown entities looking to prey on the weakest members of the flock who still wonder if there was more.

      As for the declaration that a pope must remain in his office until he dies, it is complete balderdash. Again this seer is preying on the fears of the weakest. We are called to encourage and strengthen each another in the faith and toss out these cyberspace vultures to feast elsewhere. They will have none of our own brothers and sisters in the LORD. The shift of one pope to another has given occasion for some sheep to scatter in fright but they will all be sought out by the Good Shepherd and returned to the one flock.

      “I would like to close with the prayer of Jesus to His Father before He was arrested. “Holy Father, keep them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are. When I was with them, I protected them in your name that you gave me . . . I gave them your word, and the world hated them, because they do not belong to the world any more than I belong to the world. I do not ask that you take them out of the world but that you keep them from the evil one . . . Consecrate them in truth . . . As you sent me into the world, so I sent them into the world.” John 17: 11-18

      As a man of faith, Richard, you know every word which issued forth from the Word Incarnate, Jesus Christ, goes forth with great power and does not return empty. If Jesus prayed for the apostles, who would form the living foundational stones of His Church, then it is certain the Church remains ‘CONSECRATED IN TRUTH’ and will be until the end of days. The prayer of Jesus was answered. The evil one will never take ownership of the Catholic Church anymore than Satan took ownership of the mind of Jesus during His agony. Jesus is the Creator, while Satan for all his power is finite. “He is only a creature, powerful from the fact that he is a pure spirit but still a creature. HE CANNOT PREVENT THE BUILDING UP OF GOD’S REIGN.” (CCC#395) If anyone tells you otherwise, they are not sent from God.

    3. may I continue? I thank you for posting my reply above. From personal experience of the messages I note that like the weather in which there are sunny days and rainy days the messages can be gentle and peaceful speaking of how much God loves us and is merciful, and then other days can bring the warning that evil is all around us, which worries us.

      in particular, I noticed in the quote you (Richard) took from the messages that the Lord speaks of the destruction of not only the catholic but all christian churches. at the risk of having my head chopped off, I dare to say that sometimes the words are a bit 'intentionally stressful?'. I'm not trying to say that they contradict themselves, but that, as in this case I do not take it to mean the complete destruction, for there will be many Catholics who will not accept a watered down version and will remain faithful. Thus there will be a 'remnant' of the church which is spoken of in the messages. It sounds like the entire world will be lost, but the messages purpose is to save millions of presently lost souls, they really are good news.

      I know this is where things just get confusing, even mind boggling. So I go back to my earlier point: pray now, the divine mercy chaplet, the rosary, the prayers of MDM if you can accept them. Also keep reading and learning. For example I pass on a few points I just heard or read and I can not quote exactly, I read them from threads elsewhere online: 1) when pope Benedict first took office as pope, in his first homily, he is said to have said "pray I do not run away from the wolves" again I heard this second hand, but it implied that he was revealing that there already was treachery amongst the ranks of the church. 2) Also heard: perhaps when Pope Benedict announced his resignation, that there was a dove and a seagull came and attacked or chased it, somewhere at the vatican, and when the smoke came announcing Pope Francis a seagull was present again. these may be propaganda, I don't know, but I think it interesting to learn more as we go along. We need to strengthen our discernment and understanding! Pray, read, study. God Bless. The Holy Spirit will guide us, if we are simply humble. -Robert

    4. To PocketSketch - your words "If Jesus prayed for the apostles, who would form the living foundational stones of His Church, then it is certain the Church remains ‘CONSECRATED IN TRUTH’ and will be until the end of days. The prayer of Jesus was answered. The evil one will never take ownership of the Catholic Church anymore than Satan took ownership of the mind of Jesus during His agony" ARE extremely comforting, and have given me hope that all is not as bad as I have read. Thank you kindly.

    5. What I remain unsure about is the "remnant" aspect that is discussed in the "message" Does this mean some loose connection of Roman Catholics throughout the world who remain true to tradition? What tradition? what Council? What era of the Church? What encyclical? what Vicar of Christ? OR does it mean some group within the Church like the Society of St Peter or St Pius X that holds fast to the Tridentine Mass?

    6. If you want to understand the remnant I recommend you sign up for a good Catholic bible study course. A lot of end time prophecy is based on fantastic, convoluted misinterpretations of the bible among certain Fundamentalists. Unfortunately, many Catholics, who fail to understand the plan of salvation history, are caught up in this dragnet. The remnant are the Israelites who returned from exile to Jerusalem to rebuild the Temple after both the destruction of the northern kingdom by the Assyrians in 722 B.C. and the southern kingdom by the Babylonians in 587 B.C. Many Israelites remained in the diaspora and established new lives while in exile never to return. You can read about the promise of a remnant of the people, the establishment of an eternal kingdom and a new covenant that God would inscribe on the hearts of people in the prophets.

      From Jeremiah:
      “For thus says the Lord: "Sing aloud with gladness for Jacob, and raise shouts for the chief of the nations; proclaim, give praise, and say, 'The Lord has saved his people, THE REMNANT OF ISRAEL.’ Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the farthest parts of the earth”

      From Ezra:
      “O my God, I am ashamed and blush to lift my face to thee, my God, for our iniquities have risen higher than our heads, and our guilt has mounted up to the heavens. From the days of our fathers to this day we have been in great guilt; and for our iniquities we, our kings, and our priests have been given into the hand of the kings of the lands, to the sword, to captivity, to plundering, and to utter shame, as at this day. But now for a brief moment favor has been shown by the Lord our God, to leave us A REMNANT, and to give us a sure hold within his holy place, that our God may brighten our eyes and grant us a little reviving in our bondage. For we are bondmen; yet our God has not forsaken us in our bondage, but has extended to us his steadfast love before the kings of Persia, to grant us some reviving to set up the house of our God, to repair its ruins, and to give us protection in Judea and Jerusalem.”

      From Isaiah:
      In that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob . . . will lean upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. A REMNANT WILL RETURN, THE REMNANT of JACOB, to the mighty God. . .Therefore thus says the Lord, the Lord of hosts: “O my people, who dwell in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrians when they smite with the rod and lift up their staff against you as the Egyptians did. For in a very little while my indignation will come to an end, and my anger will be directed to their destruction. . . And in that day his burden will depart from your shoulder, and his yoke will be destroyed from your neck.”

      In the fullness of time, Jesus fulfilled the promises, inaugurated the kingdom, established the new and everlasting covenant in His Blood. This is the Good News. All of this the W2C has contradicted or confused countless times with their new scripture.

    7. “And now you, My daughter, have been sent to prepare the way for My Second Coming so that I may bring salvation to the world.” M-DM, May 25, 2013

      Jesus has already left us all the means of salvation necessary in His Church. When He comes again it will be the day for the Final Judgement.

      “As sacrament, the Church is Christ's instrument. "She is taken up by him also as the instrument for the salvation of all," "the universal sacrament of salvation," by which Christ is "at once manifesting and actualizing the mystery of God's love for men." The Church "is the visible plan of God's love for humanity," Catechism 776

  17. Thank you Richard. "God does not withdraw His Mercy nor permit even one of His Promises to fail." Sirach 47:22

  18. “Nothing can, nor will, stop the Final Covenant where My Son will Reign in Peace from being fulfilled.” God the Father, Aug. 7, 2013

    This is just one example of many where Marie-Divine Mercy speaks of a “Final Covenant.” Frankly, it is a continual source of wonder and dismay that so many of the Catholic faithful swallow this without protest. There are a number of covenants in the Old Testament; only one in the New Testament. So where is the promise of a “Final Covenant”? Seems to me, the new one is the final one or maybe some disciple of M-DM would care to elucidate this promise.

  19. let me give it a shot.... as spoken of in the book of revelations there will be, as promised, a new earth and a new heaven, which I assume is the final covenant. part of the new earth will be that Satan will be chained for 1000 years, so it will be a period of peace on earth, it will be a period as God intended the garden of Eden to be for man, until Adam and Eve got kicked out. When God the Father says His son will reign in peace this is what I take his words to mean. We know Jesus reigns in heaven, that is nothing new, but as we say in the Lord's prayer, thy will be done on earth as in heaven, this will literally be fulfilled when Jesus reigns in the new Jerusalem which comes down from heaven. You may disagree with my understanding which is based part on what I read from the book of revelations and part from MDM and other revelations. This is simply my opinion. Many protestants believe in a rapture in which believers will be carried up to heaven before turmoil breaks out on earth, that idea I do not believe. As I stated, my belief is that Jesus will come again in glory, as we proclaim at every catholic mass, and when he does he will fulfill the final covenant. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. I'm positive that Jesus will come again in glory. Revelations speaks of a new Jerusalem coming down.

    a true source of wonder and dismay for me is how so many people find it hard to accept that Almighty God chooses to speak to mankind in these final days before the second coming, and creates endless excuses not to believe or accept... I spoke with my pastor who has an attitude that people have many times been expecting the end and been disappointed, and that we will each find our own end as has been for thousands of years, thus he does not believe it possible that Jesus will return in our lifetime. at least he did not call me a heretic or threaten to excommunicate me! He just convinced me that he does not believe it possible and does not want to start expecting the unexpected. Funny thing was the next Sunday mass had readings regarding being prepared for when the bride groom returns.

  20. upon second thought, my question is what was the 'one' covenant of the new testament you speak of? Surely, the promise of Jesus to return in glory is a covenant. Is not a covenant a promise made by God to mankind? A voice even spoke to the apostles as they looked up and told them that he would come again just as he was taken up during the ascension. To me that is a covenant. He also said he would not leave us but would be with us (Eucharist / church?) until the end of time. That also sounds like a covenant. Then there is the promise Jesus made to send the Holy Spirit. I would call that a covenant which was fulfilled on Pentecost.

  21. Thank you for the courtesy of your reply, Anon Aug. 19. I would ask you to consider the words of Jesus in the Gospel of Luke when He instituted the sacrament of the Most Holy Eucharist at the Last Supper. “THIS CUP IS THE NEW COVENANT IN MY BLOOD, WHICH WILL BE SHED FOR YOU.” Lk. 22:20
    Again we read the words of institution in Matthew, “Then he took the cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them saying, ‘Drink from it, all of you, for THIS IS MY BLOOD OF THE COVENANT, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.” Mt. 27:27-28
    These words of Jesus where He inaugurates the New Covenant and ratifies it with His Blood is found in 1 Corinthians 11:23-26.
    These carefully chosen words chosen by our Saviour, clearly inaugurate the beginning of a new era of salvation. These words significantly recall the words of Moses during the Exodus when the Chosen People swore a covenant with God promising they would do all He asked. THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH THE LORD HAS MADE WITH YOU.” Ex. 24:8 This covenant of the Old Testament was ratified with the blood of sacrificial animals just like Jesus established the new and everlasting covenant with His most precious blood. His was the perfect sacrifice which would end all sacrifices.
    In other words, to fully appreciate the New Testament, in particular the book of Revelation, Catholics need to look back to the Old Testament so that they can read the story of salvation history as a whole and in proper context. “God the inspirer and author of both Testaments, in His wisdom has so brought if about that the New should be hidden in the Old and that the Old should be made manifest in the New.” Dei Verbum
    “May the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great shepherd of the sheep by the BLOOD OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT, JESUS OUR LORD, furnish you with all that is good, that you may do His Will.” Heb.13:20

  22. “At all times and in every race, anyone who fears God and does what is right has been acceptable to Him. He has, however, willed to make men holy and save them, not as individuals without any bond or link between them, but rather to make them into a people who might acknowledge Him and serve Him in holiness. He therefore chose the Israelite race to be His own people and established A COVENANT with them. He gradually instructed this people . . . All these things, however, happened as a preparation and FIGURE OF THAT NEW and PERFECT COVENANT which was to be RATIFIED IN CHRIST, and of the FULLER REVELATION WHICH WAS TO BE GIVEN THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD MADE FLESH. “Behold the days are coming, says the Lord, when I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and the house of Judah . . . I WILL PUT MY LAW WITHIN THEM, and I WILL WRITE IT UPON THEIR HEARTS, and THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE . . .says the Lord.” (Jeremiah 31:31-34).

  23. The Vatican II document, Lumen Gentium, beautifully instructs us about where we have come from, what is our mission and where we are going as the New People of God living in the New and everlasting Covenant. This is part of what Pope Benedict urged us to read and study during the Year of Faith, the documents of Vatican II, the catechism and Sacred Scripture. If Catholics had been doing the homework assigned to them by the Holy Father, they would have easily discerned that the writings of M-Dm are incompatible and irreconcilable with the Catholic faith. It is dangerous and corrosive to one’s faith to allow this unknown entity to “plant seeds of doubt” into our hearts and minds about the new and eternal covenant which Christ established. God the Father has not revoked this covenant made in the blood of His only begotten Son, nor has He permitted the “head of the Serpent” to replace His vicar on earth, nor has He taken back the keys of the kingdom. Christ will never allow the “right hand of the beast” to destroy His visible Church; redesign it into a new one world religion honouring the Anti-Christ and lead over a billion Catholics to damnation. This is our faith and our hope. God is steadfast in His love and faithful to His promises.

  24. It is the sacred duty all the faithful, especially those who think they are privy to some secret knowledge about the future, to study the authentic and divinely revealed Word of God, the Catholic Catechism, the writings of the Church councils and papal exhortations and encyclicals before they venture to chart the dangerous unknown waters of unauthenticated seers. It is reckless to believe this false prophet; spread her falsehoods and continue to obstinately refuse to honestly examine the mountain of problematic material on this seer. To hurt the unity of the Mystical Body of Christ is to separate oneself from intimate friendship with God. Can anyone forget the punishment of Miriam, the sister of Moses, who questioned the authority and leadership of Moses? Can anyone dare forget the fate of the rebels who directly challenged the calling of Moses during Exodus?

    It is dangerous business to calumniate the representative of Christ on earth, Pope Francis. M-DM knows well her followers will be persecuted, mocked, ridiculed, denied reception of the sacraments.” Why? On this point, we both agree. Continue on this wide road of deceit and destruction and one will indeed separate from the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church. She knows it. Why don’t you anonymous?